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Post by DarkShadow on Sept 14, 2013 4:16:50 GMT
1). The baby is not alive at conception: www.ask.com/question/when-is-a-baby-considered-alive(If you want more articles, I have PLENTY more). 2). Someone who has gone off the deep end is not going to think about whether or not someone has a gun. Considering most criminals commit suicide after major massacres like that, I highly doubt they really care what happens to them. 3). Also, I repeat AGAIN for the thickheaded. If there weren't any guns in the first place, that theater massacre would not have happened! Metal detectors at the door of the theater would have solved the problem. 4). Provide me with proof that he skipped several movie theaters, and show me the proof those theaters were not gun free zones. Well I've seen you log on and make posts TWICE now without replying to my posts. This proves you have ZERO proof to back your statements up. Next time you debate someone, make sure you know what you are talking about first! For the impatient... www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/10/did-colorado-shooter-single-out-cinemark-theater/ As for the issue of abortion. I do see your point. Ive given it a great deal of thought and decided that while I may not personally agree, an abortion for a rape victim or a woman who's life is in danger can be acceptable. If an abortion is done ...it should be in the early stages before the cells even turn into a baby. Unfortunately... our society uses abortion as a birth control. It is unacceptable that Americans have such hard time taking responsibility for their actions. Its common sense to know that if you engage in sexual activities that pregnancy is possible. Its a risk... people not willing to take that risk shouldn't be having sex in the first place. Any child that was created by two consenting humans should not be aborted...whether its a bunch of cells or not. Teenagers should not be allowed to get abortions without their parents approval... of course under the same rules I just listed... my main argument is now saying people need to be accountable for their actions. This is just one instance of not making people take responsibility for their actions. You accuse me of following my religion blindly...saying its impossible not to. My religion is my moral compass for many things. When it comes to politics I believe in 3 things... the Constitution, Liberty, and Logic. Do not accuse me of following it blindly as many do... if I did... I would not support the legalization of drugs, homosexuality, or even the compromise I just made. Your behavior is incredibly rude and unprofessional. You are a disgrace to your political party. I do not appreciate being accused of being illegitimate and saying I don't know my information. Attacking my religious beliefs was inappropriate and unacceptable. I do not ever recall showing you the disrespect and unprofessionalism that you have demonstrated. One final thought. If I ever come to a point where I can no longer back up my information or have lost the debate... I promise I will admit that... I will not just stop answering. I would rather lose a battle with dignity than to flee a coward. ~DarkShadow
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Post by Gipper on Sept 14, 2013 4:58:24 GMT
Well I've seen you log on and make posts TWICE now without replying to my posts. This proves you have ZERO proof to back your statements up. Next time you debate someone, make sure you know what you are talking about first! For the impatient... www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/10/did-colorado-shooter-single-out-cinemark-theater/ As for the issue of abortion. I do see your point. Ive given it a great deal of thought and decided that while I may not personally agree, an abortion for a rape victim or a woman who's life is in danger can be acceptable. If an abortion is done ...it should be in the early stages before the cells even turn into a baby. Unfortunately... our society uses abortion as a birth control. It is unacceptable that Americans have such hard taking responsibility for their actions. Its common sense to know that if you engage in sexual activities that pregnancy is possible. Its a risk... people not willing to take that risk shouldn't be having sex in the first place. Any child that was created by two consenting humans should not be aborted...whether its a bunch of cells or not. Teenagers should not be allowed to get abortions without their parents approval... of course under the same rules I just listed... my main argument is now saying people need to be accountable for their actions. This is just one instance of not making people take responsibility for their actions. You accuse me of following my religion blindly...saying its impossible not to. My religion is my moral compass for many things. When it comes to politics I believe in 3 things... the Constitution, Liberty, and Logic. Do not accuse me of following it blindly as many do... if I did... I would not support the legalization of drugs, homosexuality, or even the compromise I just made. Your behavior is incredibly rude and unprofessional. You are a disgrace to your political party. I do not appreciate being accused of being illegitimate and saying I don't know my information. Attacking my religious beliefs was inappropriate and unacceptable. I do not ever recall showing you the disrespect and unprofessionalism that you have demonstrated. One final thought. If I ever come to a point where I can no longer back up my information or have lost the debate... I promise I will admit that... I will not just stop answering. I would rather lose a battle with dignity than to flee a coward. ~DarkShadow
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Post by AmazingDomo on Sept 16, 2013 14:29:44 GMT
Well I've seen you log on and make posts TWICE now without replying to my posts. This proves you have ZERO proof to back your statements up. Next time you debate someone, make sure you know what you are talking about first! For the impatient... www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/10/did-colorado-shooter-single-out-cinemark-theater/ As for the issue of abortion. I do see your point. Ive given it a great deal of thought and decided that while I may not personally agree, an abortion for a rape victim or a woman who's life is in danger can be acceptable. If an abortion is done ...it should be in the early stages before the cells even turn into a baby. Unfortunately... our society uses abortion as a birth control. It is unacceptable that Americans have such hard time taking responsibility for their actions. Its common sense to know that if you engage in sexual activities that pregnancy is possible. Its a risk... people not willing to take that risk shouldn't be having sex in the first place. Any child that was created by two consenting humans should not be aborted...whether its a bunch of cells or not. Teenagers should not be allowed to get abortions without their parents approval... of course under the same rules I just listed... my main argument is now saying people need to be accountable for their actions. This is just one instance of not making people take responsibility for their actions. You accuse me of following my religion blindly...saying its impossible not to. My religion is my moral compass for many things. When it comes to politics I believe in 3 things... the Constitution, Liberty, and Logic. Do not accuse me of following it blindly as many do... if I did... I would not support the legalization of drugs, homosexuality, or even the compromise I just made. Your behavior is incredibly rude and unprofessional. You are a disgrace to your political party. I do not appreciate being accused of being illegitimate and saying I don't know my information. Attacking my religious beliefs was inappropriate and unacceptable. I do not ever recall showing you the disrespect and unprofessionalism that you have demonstrated. One final thought. If I ever come to a point where I can no longer back up my information or have lost the debate... I promise I will admit that... I will not just stop answering. I would rather lose a battle with dignity than to flee a coward. ~DarkShadow So you admit that the fetus is not alive at conception? If your only proper reason for wanting abortion illegal is because it is used for birth control, I assume you want condoms and BC pills illegal too? Oh I'm rude? I'm not your mother, I'm not going to pat your back and rub your belly when I give you information. Get over it.
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Post by DarkShadow on Sept 17, 2013 1:07:02 GMT
For the impatient... www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/10/did-colorado-shooter-single-out-cinemark-theater/ As for the issue of abortion. I do see your point. Ive given it a great deal of thought and decided that while I may not personally agree, an abortion for a rape victim or a woman who's life is in danger can be acceptable. If an abortion is done ...it should be in the early stages before the cells even turn into a baby. Unfortunately... our society uses abortion as a birth control. It is unacceptable that Americans have such hard time taking responsibility for their actions. Its common sense to know that if you engage in sexual activities that pregnancy is possible. Its a risk... people not willing to take that risk shouldn't be having sex in the first place. Any child that was created by two consenting humans should not be aborted...whether its a bunch of cells or not. Teenagers should not be allowed to get abortions without their parents approval... of course under the same rules I just listed... my main argument is now saying people need to be accountable for their actions. This is just one instance of not making people take responsibility for their actions. You accuse me of following my religion blindly...saying its impossible not to. My religion is my moral compass for many things. When it comes to politics I believe in 3 things... the Constitution, Liberty, and Logic. Do not accuse me of following it blindly as many do... if I did... I would not support the legalization of drugs, homosexuality, or even the compromise I just made. Your behavior is incredibly rude and unprofessional. You are a disgrace to your political party. I do not appreciate being accused of being illegitimate and saying I don't know my information. Attacking my religious beliefs was inappropriate and unacceptable. I do not ever recall showing you the disrespect and unprofessionalism that you have demonstrated. One final thought. If I ever come to a point where I can no longer back up my information or have lost the debate... I promise I will admit that... I will not just stop answering. I would rather lose a battle with dignity than to flee a coward. ~DarkShadow So you admit that the fetus is not alive at conception? If your only proper reason for wanting abortion illegal is because it is used for birth control, I assume you want condoms and BC pills illegal too? Oh I'm rude? I'm not your mother, I'm not going to pat your back and rub your belly when I give you information. Get over it. Based on the information available. It is scientifically proven that a fetid is not human at conception though I personally disagree. I did state that any abortion done needs to be done before the cells develope into ANYTHING and only for rape victims ir if the woman's life is in danger. I think condoms and Bc pills are a great thing. But they are not 100% foolproof. Even by using those there is still a possibility of pregnancy though it is greatly decreased. Any child that is created between two consenting adults needs to be born. This is about taking responsibility. They shouldn't be having sex in the first place if they r oblivious to the fact of potential pregnancy. They can put the child up for adoption if they really don't want It. I don't expect you to give me a pat on the head when you provide information, but I would hope you would use some respect. You are in fact representing your party. You would not want people thinking all democrats are obnoxious, illogical, hot heads who lack any form of intellectual acumen. Just sayin...you are representing the democrat party. ~DarkShadow
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Post by AmazingDomo on Sept 17, 2013 1:14:59 GMT
So you admit that the fetus is not alive at conception? If your only proper reason for wanting abortion illegal is because it is used for birth control, I assume you want condoms and BC pills illegal too? Oh I'm rude? I'm not your mother, I'm not going to pat your back and rub your belly when I give you information. Get over it. Based on the information available. It is scientifically proven that a fetid is not human at conception though I personally disagree. I did state that any abortion done needs to be done before the cells develope into ANYTHING and only for rape victims ir if the woman's life is in danger. I think condoms and Bc pills are a great thing. But they are not 100% foolproof. Even by using those there is still a possibility of pregnancy though it is greatly decreased. Any child that is created between two consenting adults needs to be born. This is about taking responsibility. They shouldn't be having sex in the first place if they r oblivious to the fact of potential pregnancy. They can put the child up for adoption if they really don't want It. I don't expect you to give me a pat on the head when you provide information, but I would hope you would use some respect. You are in fact representing your party. You would not want people thinking all democrats are obnoxious, illogical, hot heads who lack any form of intellectual acumen. Just sayin...you are representing the democrat party. ~DarkShadow So if you support the use of BC pills and condoms, why is using Abortion as birth control supposedly terrible? So you're okay with tossing children into abusive foster homes, but your not okay with aborting them before they are fully alive and aware? Also, how are you Pro-Life if you support unrestricted gun use? I'm not the one that lacks logic. Way to treat people with respect there, Dark. I'm an obnoxious, illogical hothead? Sounds like respect to me. You like all Christian Republicans or Libertarians (whatever you guys are calling yourselves today), are a hypocrite.
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Post by DarkShadow on Sept 17, 2013 1:31:23 GMT
Based on the information available. It is scientifically proven that a fetid is not human at conception though I personally disagree. I did state that any abortion done needs to be done before the cells develope into ANYTHING and only for rape victims ir if the woman's life is in danger. I think condoms and Bc pills are a great thing. But they are not 100% foolproof. Even by using those there is still a possibility of pregnancy though it is greatly decreased. Any child that is created between two consenting adults needs to be born. This is about taking responsibility. They shouldn't be having sex in the first place if they r oblivious to the fact of potential pregnancy. They can put the child up for adoption if they really don't want It. I don't expect you to give me a pat on the head when you provide information, but I would hope you would use some respect. You are in fact representing your party. You would not want people thinking all democrats are obnoxious, illogical, hot heads who lack any form of intellectual acumen. Just sayin...you are representing the democrat party. ~DarkShadow So if you support the use of BC pills and condoms, why is using Abortion as birth control supposedly terrible? So you're okay with tossing children into abusive foster homes, but your not okay with aborting them before they are fully alive and aware? Also, how are you Pro-Life if you support unrestricted gun use? I'm not the one that lacks logic. Way to treat people with respect there, Dark. I'm an obnoxious, illogical hothead? Sounds like respect to me. You like all Christian Republicans or Libertarians (whatever you guys are calling yourselves today), are a hypocrite. Tossing them into abusive foster homes isn't the point. I will say that the foster home system needs to be dealt with. The problem with abortion is that you are mjrdering an innocent child. Me supporting guns is a whole different story. The point of having weaponry is to defend yourself. I am not against killing someone who is trying to harm you.of course ONLY in self defence. You do bring up an excellent point about the problem with foster care. The foster care needs to be fixed. As for my little insult that was directed at you. I have been respectful to you for a while now... I even took the liberty to inform you your actions were unnacceptable. After a disrespectful response from you. I feel my insult was justified. Respect is a two way street. If you refuse to show respect to me... I wont think twice about disrespecting you. (For those who agree, like this post) .I am not hypocrite. I am logical. ~DarkShadow
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Post by AmazingDomo on Sept 17, 2013 1:50:49 GMT
So if you support the use of BC pills and condoms, why is using Abortion as birth control supposedly terrible? So you're okay with tossing children into abusive foster homes, but your not okay with aborting them before they are fully alive and aware? Also, how are you Pro-Life if you support unrestricted gun use? I'm not the one that lacks logic. Way to treat people with respect there, Dark. I'm an obnoxious, illogical hothead? Sounds like respect to me. You like all Christian Republicans or Libertarians (whatever you guys are calling yourselves today), are a hypocrite. Tossing them into abusive foster homes isn't the point. I will say that the foster home system needs to be dealt with. The problem with abortion is that you are mjrdering an innocent child. Me supporting guns is a whole different story. The point of having weaponry is to defend yourself. I am not against killing someone who is trying to harm you.of course ONLY in self defence. You do bring up an excellent point about the problem with foster care. The foster care needs to be fixed. As for my little insult that was directed at you. I have been respectful to you for a while now... I even took the liberty to inform you your actions were unnacceptable. After a disrespectful response from you. I feel my insult was justified. Respect is a two way street. If you refuse to show respect to me... I wont think twice about disrespecting you. (For those who agree, like this post) .I am not hypocrite. I am logical. ~DarkShadow They aren't babies until a certain point, and even then they aren't conscious of being alive. Also, you seem to have this idealistic view of "life" and "death". I assume you are vegetarian? Dang right the foster system needs to be fixed! Oh it's for "self defense". Self defense for what?? That's what the police are for! They aren't there to stick their thumb up their ass and gawk at the world. Perhaps, if people always didn't always try to be the judge and jury of someone...the police might have something to do other than ticket us all the time! Police have special permits, and training they undergo. The average armed citizen does not. You consider that safe? I get a kick out of you Dark. You have an idealistic view of the world, and it baffles me. Your insult was justified? I thought the whole premise of Christianity was to show love even when you aren't being showed love yourself? Because your magic voodoo fairy God would supposedly judge them himself? You sound like a true Christian to me!
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Post by DarkShadow on Sept 17, 2013 2:07:01 GMT
Tossing them into abusive foster homes isn't the point. I will say that the foster home system needs to be dealt with. The problem with abortion is that you are mjrdering an innocent child. Me supporting guns is a whole different story. The point of having weaponry is to defend yourself. I am not against killing someone who is trying to harm you.of course ONLY in self defence. You do bring up an excellent point about the problem with foster care. The foster care needs to be fixed. As for my little insult that was directed at you. I have been respectful to you for a while now... I even took the liberty to inform you your actions were unnacceptable. After a disrespectful response from you. I feel my insult was justified. Respect is a two way street. If you refuse to show respect to me... I wont think twice about disrespecting you. (For those who agree, like this post) .I am not hypocrite. I am logical. ~DarkShadow They aren't babies until a certain point, and even then they aren't conscious of being alive. Also, you seem to have this idealistic view of "life" and "death". I assume you are vegetarian? Dang right the foster system needs to be fixed! Oh it's for "self defense". Self defense for what?? That's what the police are for! They aren't there to stick their thumb up their ass and gawk at the world. Perhaps, if people always didn't always try to be the judge and jury of someone...the police might have something to do other than ticket us all the time! Police have special permits, and training they undergo. The average armed citizen does not. You consider that safe? I get a kick out of you Dark. You have an idealistic view of the world, and it baffles me. Your insult was justified? I thought the whole premise of Christianity was to show love even when you aren't being showed love yourself? Because your magic voodoo fairy God would supposedly judge them himself? You sound like a true Christian to me! I am going to address the guns issue in this post. I am going to give you a scenario. Please answer how you would handle the situation. Its around midnight and your entire family is asleep. You are down in your office researching politics or whatever it is you do at this hour. You begin hearing footsteps. You assume its probably a family member. You suddenly hear someone in your family scream and then hear a gunshot closely followed. You run down the hall and see your wife is dead with a bullet hole between her eyes. One of your children had ran into the room and the killer now has a gun to his head. You are standing there with no way to fight back. What do you do? Remember you dont own any guns. Now to address another issue... murder and kill are two different things. Kill is to take someones life. Murder is to take an innocent persons life. That's why I say abortion is murder . I am being completely logical. I am not like most Christians....trust me. ~DarkShadow
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Post by AmazingDomo on Sept 17, 2013 2:31:30 GMT
They aren't babies until a certain point, and even then they aren't conscious of being alive. Also, you seem to have this idealistic view of "life" and "death". I assume you are vegetarian? Dang right the foster system needs to be fixed! Oh it's for "self defense". Self defense for what?? That's what the police are for! They aren't there to stick their thumb up their ass and gawk at the world. Perhaps, if people always didn't always try to be the judge and jury of someone...the police might have something to do other than ticket us all the time! Police have special permits, and training they undergo. The average armed citizen does not. You consider that safe? I get a kick out of you Dark. You have an idealistic view of the world, and it baffles me. Your insult was justified? I thought the whole premise of Christianity was to show love even when you aren't being showed love yourself? Because your magic voodoo fairy God would supposedly judge them himself? You sound like a true Christian to me! I am going to address the guns issue in this post. I am going to give you a scenario. Please answer how you would handle the situation. Its around midnight and your entire family is asleep. You are down in your office researching politics or whatever it is you do at this hour. You begin hearing footsteps. You assume its probably a family member. You suddenly hear someone in your family scream and then hear a gunshot closely followed. You run down the hall and see your wife is dead with a bullet hole between her eyes. One of your children had ran into the room and the killer now has a gun to his head. You are standing there with no way to fight back. What do you do? Remember you dont own any guns. Now to address another issue... murder and kill are two different things. Kill is to take someones life. Murder is to take an innocent persons life. That's why I say abortion is murder . I am being completely logical. I am not like most Christians....trust me. ~DarkShadow But that wouldn't happen if it were a lot more difficult to get guns! If there were more background checks, and gun laws then 9 times out of 10 that situation wouldn't even happen. Sure....I get it, gun laws aren't fool proof...no laws are. But it would still REDUCE the amount of homicides, as a "Pro-Life" advocate I'm sure you understand that if you can save even ONE life...then that is worth everything.
I'm going to give you a hypothetical situation. You're at a party. Some crazy teenager whips out a gun and starts threatening people. One of the men at the party also pulls out a gun and shoots at the criminal. Since has had no proper training, he misses and kills your girlfriend. The "hero" stares at her stunned while the killer kills him, and 10 other people at the party before someone finally whacks him upside the head with a chair and calls the police. Your girlfriend is now dead, but it wasn't the criminal that killed him...it was a "law-abiding" citizen. There's a reason that the police and the military have stronger weapons than the populace, and it's not because a "dictator is on the rise". It's because they happen to have more training. I repeat. Fetuses are NOT ALIVE UNTIL AT LEAST THE SECOND TRIMESTER! Sometimes even Second Trimester and a half! You even ADMITTED that life does not start at conception, so I am wondering why we are still arguing this.
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Post by Gipper on Sept 17, 2013 2:37:32 GMT
I am going to address the guns issue in this post. I am going to give you a scenario. Please answer how you would handle the situation. Its around midnight and your entire family is asleep. You are down in your office researching politics or whatever it is you do at this hour. You begin hearing footsteps. You assume its probably a family member. You suddenly hear someone in your family scream and then hear a gunshot closely followed. You run down the hall and see your wife is dead with a bullet hole between her eyes. One of your children had ran into the room and the killer now has a gun to his head. You are standing there with no way to fight back. What do you do? Remember you dont own any guns. Now to address another issue... murder and kill are two different things. Kill is to take someones life. Murder is to take an innocent persons life. That's why I say abortion is murder . I am being completely logical. I am not like most Christians....trust me. ~DarkShadow But that wouldn't happen if it were a lot more difficult to get guns! If there were more background checks, and gun laws then 9 times out of 10 that situation wouldn't even happen. Sure....I get it, gun laws aren't fool proof...no laws are. But it would still REDUCE the amount of homicides, as a "Pro-Life" advocate I'm sure you understand that if you can save even ONE life...then that is worth everything.
I'm going to give you a hypothetical situation. You're at a party. Some crazy teenager whips out a gun and starts threatening people. One of the men at the party also pulls out a gun and shoots at the criminal. Since has had no proper training, he misses and kills your girlfriend. The "hero" stares at her stunned while the killer kills him, and 10 other people at the party before someone finally whacks him upside the head with a chair and calls the police. Your girlfriend is now dead, but it wasn't the criminal that killed him...it was a "law-abiding" citizen. There's a reason that the police and the military have stronger weapons than the populace, and it's not because a "dictator is on the rise". It's because they happen to have more training. I repeat. Fetuses are NOT ALIVE UNTIL AT LEAST THE SECOND TRIMESTER! Sometimes even Second Trimester and a half! You even ADMITTED that life does not start at conception, so I am wondering why we are still arguing this. I agree with you on the fetus argument but you lack logic and common sense when it comes to gun control. The shooter would have still killed 10 people even if the untrained citizen didn't have a gun. Also, the criminal would most likely run after that event...not proceed to shoot people. If the criminal has any sense, when he sees that one of his victims happens to own a gun and that the victim is trying to shoot him, he's going to run.
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Post by DarkShadow on Sept 17, 2013 2:42:38 GMT
I am going to address the guns issue in this post. I am going to give you a scenario. Please answer how you would handle the situation. Its around midnight and your entire family is asleep. You are down in your office researching politics or whatever it is you do at this hour. You begin hearing footsteps. You assume its probably a family member. You suddenly hear someone in your family scream and then hear a gunshot closely followed. You run down the hall and see your wife is dead with a bullet hole between her eyes. One of your children had ran into the room and the killer now has a gun to his head. You are standing there with no way to fight back. What do you do? Remember you dont own any guns. Now to address another issue... murder and kill are two different things. Kill is to take someones life. Murder is to take an innocent persons life. That's why I say abortion is murder . I am being completely logical. I am not like most Christians....trust me. ~DarkShadow But that wouldn't happen if it were a lot more difficult to get guns! If there were more background checks, and gun laws then 9 times out of 10 that situation wouldn't even happen. Sure....I get it, gun laws aren't fool proof...no laws are. But it would still REDUCE the amount of homicides, as a "Pro-Life" advocate I'm sure you understand that if you can save even ONE life...then that is worth everything.
I'm going to give you a hypothetical situation. You're at a party. Some crazy teenager whips out a gun and starts threatening people. One of the men at the party also pulls out a gun and shoots at the criminal. Since has had no proper training, he misses and kills your girlfriend. The "hero" stares at her stunned while the killer kills him, and 10 other people at the party before someone finally whacks him upside the head with a chair and calls the police. Your girlfriend is now dead, but it wasn't the criminal that killed him...it was a "law-abiding" citizen. There's a reason that the police and the military have stronger weapons than the populace, and it's not because a "dictator is on the rise". It's because they happen to have more training. I repeat. Fetuses are NOT ALIVE UNTIL AT LEAST THE SECOND TRIMESTER! Sometimes even Second Trimester and a half! You even ADMITTED that life does not start at conception, so I am wondering why we are still arguing this. A criminal can do just as much damage with a knife or a sword. What then? Several things about the party scenario .. 1.I have no girlfriend to get shot lol 2. You make an excellent point about how the guy has no training with a gun and kills a friend. I think gun safety should be taught in schools. It would greatly reduce the gun accidents that happen. As for abortion ...I am still arguing since it does become a child eventually...that's special. And its discusting for people refuse to take responsibility for their actions. Again keep in mind a bladed weapon can do just as much damage as a gun. I know I myself am more effective with bladed weapons. Since I am not old enough to buy a firearm. If I was in the situation that I described to you....its very unlikely the murderer would get out alive... combine bladed weapons with martial arts training and you have a pretty skilled combatant. Again...I say logic. ~DarkShadow
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Post by AmazingDomo on Sept 17, 2013 18:52:23 GMT
But that wouldn't happen if it were a lot more difficult to get guns! If there were more background checks, and gun laws then 9 times out of 10 that situation wouldn't even happen. Sure....I get it, gun laws aren't fool proof...no laws are. But it would still REDUCE the amount of homicides, as a "Pro-Life" advocate I'm sure you understand that if you can save even ONE life...then that is worth everything.
I'm going to give you a hypothetical situation. You're at a party. Some crazy teenager whips out a gun and starts threatening people. One of the men at the party also pulls out a gun and shoots at the criminal. Since has had no proper training, he misses and kills your girlfriend. The "hero" stares at her stunned while the killer kills him, and 10 other people at the party before someone finally whacks him upside the head with a chair and calls the police. Your girlfriend is now dead, but it wasn't the criminal that killed him...it was a "law-abiding" citizen. There's a reason that the police and the military have stronger weapons than the populace, and it's not because a "dictator is on the rise". It's because they happen to have more training. I repeat. Fetuses are NOT ALIVE UNTIL AT LEAST THE SECOND TRIMESTER! Sometimes even Second Trimester and a half! You even ADMITTED that life does not start at conception, so I am wondering why we are still arguing this. A criminal can do just as much damage with a knife or a sword. What then? Several things about the party scenario .. 1.I have no girlfriend to get shot lol 2. You make an excellent point about how the guy has no training with a gun and kills a friend. I think gun safety should be taught in schools. It would greatly reduce the gun accidents that happen. As for abortion ...I am still arguing since it does become a child eventually...that's special. And its discusting for people refuse to take responsibility for their actions. Again keep in mind a bladed weapon can do just as much damage as a gun. I know I myself am more effective with bladed weapons. Since I am not old enough to buy a firearm. If I was in the situation that I described to you....its very unlikely the murderer would get out alive... combine bladed weapons with martial arts training and you have a pretty skilled combatant. Again...I say logic. ~DarkShadow 1). Are you serious? A sword does not do as much damage as a gun, and while a gun is long distance(to an extent)...a sword is close distance. Why do you think they fight with guns instead of swords in the military/special forces? 2). Unless it's a mandatory gun safety class, it still won't help the situation. There will be many people who don't feel like attending the class, or paying the money to attend a gun safety class. 3). I agree. A fetus does eventually become a child. But it's not alive until late second trimester, and in VERY rare cases early second trimester. Allowing abortions up to the second trimester would not kill anything, you can't kill something that is not alive. 4). As I said earlier, if you are against abortions because people use them as birth control and don't take responsibility for their actions...I assume you are against BC pills and condoms. Otherwise it is a hypocritical statement. You are either against Birth Control or you aren't. You can't just want to criminalize one form of birth control, while legalizing the rest. It doesn't work that way. 5). Most people don't have the time for martial arts training and sword training. Maybe 1/5 of American citizens have proper martial arts training.
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Post by DarkShadow on Sept 17, 2013 19:01:41 GMT
A criminal can do just as much damage with a knife or a sword. What then? Several things about the party scenario .. 1.I have no girlfriend to get shot lol 2. You make an excellent point about how the guy has no training with a gun and kills a friend. I think gun safety should be taught in schools. It would greatly reduce the gun accidents that happen. As for abortion ...I am still arguing since it does become a child eventually...that's special. And its discusting for people refuse to take responsibility for their actions. Again keep in mind a bladed weapon can do just as much damage as a gun. I know I myself am more effective with bladed weapons. Since I am not old enough to buy a firearm. If I was in the situation that I described to you....its very unlikely the murderer would get out alive... combine bladed weapons with martial arts training and you have a pretty skilled combatant. Again...I say logic. ~DarkShadow 1). Are you serious? A sword does not do as much damage as a gun, and while a gun is long distance(to an extent)...a sword is close distance. Why do you think they fight with guns instead of swords in the military/special forces? 2). Unless it's a mandatory gun safety class, it still won't help the situation. There will be many people who don't feel like attending the class, or paying the money to attend a gun safety class. 3). I agree. A fetus does eventually become a child. But it's not alive until late second trimester, and in VERY rare cases early second trimester. Allowing abortions up to the second trimester would not kill anything, you can't kill something that is not alive. 4). As I said earlier, if you are against abortions because people use them as birth control and don't take responsibility for their actions...I assume you are against BC pills and condoms. Otherwise it is a hypocritical statement. You are either against Birth Control or you aren't. You can't just want to criminalize one form of birth control, while legalizing the rest. It doesn't work that way. 5). Most people don't have the time for martial arts training and sword training. Maybe 1/5 of American citizens have proper martial arts training. I agree that a gun is a more effective weapon when the User has proper training... but most people don't have that...your average criminal is not going to be that skilled. On the same day the sandy hook shooting happenned, a man in China ran into a preschool and sliced up a bunch of kids with a knife. Look at England ... one of the highest crime rates in the world because of their strict weaponry laws while places that are freer have some of the smallest crime rates in the world. I am not against birth control since its merely prevention. The problem with abortion is that the thing trying to be prevented has already happenned... A mandatory gun class should be done in schools.it should be free and every student should take it. ~DarkShadow
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Post by AmazingDomo on Sept 17, 2013 19:20:31 GMT
1). Are you serious? A sword does not do as much damage as a gun, and while a gun is long distance(to an extent)...a sword is close distance. Why do you think they fight with guns instead of swords in the military/special forces? 2). Unless it's a mandatory gun safety class, it still won't help the situation. There will be many people who don't feel like attending the class, or paying the money to attend a gun safety class. 3). I agree. A fetus does eventually become a child. But it's not alive until late second trimester, and in VERY rare cases early second trimester. Allowing abortions up to the second trimester would not kill anything, you can't kill something that is not alive. 4). As I said earlier, if you are against abortions because people use them as birth control and don't take responsibility for their actions...I assume you are against BC pills and condoms. Otherwise it is a hypocritical statement. You are either against Birth Control or you aren't. You can't just want to criminalize one form of birth control, while legalizing the rest. It doesn't work that way. 5). Most people don't have the time for martial arts training and sword training. Maybe 1/5 of American citizens have proper martial arts training. I agree that a gun is a more effective weapon when the User has proper training... but most people don't have that...your average criminal is not going to be that skilled. On the same day the sandy hook shooting happenned, a man in China ran into a preschool and sliced up a bunch of kids with a knife. Look at England ... one of the highest crime rates in the world because of their strict weaponry laws while places that are freer have some of the smallest crime rates in the world. I am not against birth control since its merely prevention. The problem with abortion is that the thing trying to be prevented has already happenned... A mandatory gun class should be done in schools.it should be free and every student should take it. ~DarkShadow Exactly my point! The average criminal isn't going to be skilled! You just proved my point! But the fetus is not alive until second trimester... What's to stop the kid from turning around and shooting their classmate during gun training time at school? A student could have a grudge, and shoot a fellow students....just because. Children should not wield guns...period.
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Post by DarkShadow on Sept 17, 2013 19:39:48 GMT
I agree that a gun is a more effective weapon when the User has proper training... but most people don't have that...your average criminal is not going to be that skilled. On the same day the sandy hook shooting happenned, a man in China ran into a preschool and sliced up a bunch of kids with a knife. Look at England ... one of the highest crime rates in the world because of their strict weaponry laws while places that are freer have some of the smallest crime rates in the world. I am not against birth control since its merely prevention. The problem with abortion is that the thing trying to be prevented has already happenned... A mandatory gun class should be done in schools.it should be free and every student should take it. ~DarkShadow Exactly my point! The average criminal isn't going to be skilled! You just proved my point! But the fetus is not alive until second trimester... What's to stop the kid from turning around and shooting their classmate during gun training time at school? A student could have a grudge, and shoot a fellow students....just because. Children should not wield guns...period. Have you ever been to a gun safety class? I have...you do not handle guns at all...its done through videos and slide shows ...I think that children should be allowed to continue the tradition of hunting with their parents approval.a gun safety class in schools would help educate the youth on safety. This would almost entirely eliminate the problem with all the injuries. You will notice the average American, law abiding citizen practices with their guns. They do hold a fair amount of skill. Just do woke research on the civilian militias...they are insanely good. As for the second trimester... I am not arguing that the baby is alive. But the woman is indeed pregnant? I am bringing this back to a responsibility issue. If you don't want the kid...don't have sex. People need to understand that pregnancy can result after sex. ~DarkShadow
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