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Post by AmazingDomo on Aug 30, 2013 3:22:02 GMT
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Post by DarkShadow on Sept 3, 2013 3:02:13 GMT
How do you feel about Americans using torture to obtain information from terrorists? By torture I mean things such as waterboarding, shock,and mental torture...nothing to permenantly maim the prisoners.
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Post by AmazingDomo on Sept 3, 2013 17:44:46 GMT
How do you feel about Americans using torture to obtain information from terrorists? By torture I mean things such as waterboarding, shock,and mental torture...nothing to permenantly maim the prisoners. Nope, none of it. Most of these "terrorists" are just defending their home countries from U.S invasion. Thanks to every president since Nixon, we now have more enemies than we know what to do with. We wouldn't have these "terrorist" if we would just stop picking fights. These middle-easterns are just patriots trying to protect their country. Watch the video John Liberty posted in Foreign Policy. Very good video. Also, have you ever been tortured? It does permanently maim the prisoners. That stuff haunts them forever. My grandpa still whimpers in his sleep over that stuff. It's cruel and unnecessary. |
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Post by DarkShadow on Sept 4, 2013 2:16:12 GMT
How do you feel about Americans using torture to obtain information from terrorists? By torture I mean things such as waterboarding, shock,and mental torture...nothing to permenantly maim the prisoners. Nope, none of it. Most of these "terrorists" are just defending their home countries from U.S invasion. Thanks to every president since Nixon, we now have more enemies than we know what to do with. We wouldn't have these "terrorist" if we would just stop picking fights. These middle-easterns are just patriots trying to protect their country. Watch the video John Liberty posted in Foreign Policy. Very good video. Also, have you ever been tortured? It does permanently maim the prisoners. That stuff haunts them forever. My grandpa still whimpers in his sleep over that stuff. It's cruel and unnecessary. I agree with your first statement.. we need to mind our own business asa a country. I do feel certain types of torture are acceptable (on a non-american) if American lives are at stake.. |
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Post by ProfessorKat on Sept 4, 2013 2:27:37 GMT
Nope, none of it. Most of these "terrorists" are just defending their home countries from U.S invasion. Thanks to every president since Nixon, we now have more enemies than we know what to do with. We wouldn't have these "terrorist" if we would just stop picking fights. These middle-easterns are just patriots trying to protect their country. Watch the video John Liberty posted in Foreign Policy. Very good video. Also, have you ever been tortured? It does permanently maim the prisoners. That stuff haunts them forever. My grandpa still whimpers in his sleep over that stuff. It's cruel and unnecessary. I agree with your first statement.. we need to mind our own business asa a country. I do feel certain types of torture are acceptable (on a non-american) if American lives are at stake.. Just something to think about. Why does it make it acceptable to torture someone just because they are a non-american? If we do allow torture to gain information, where do we draw the line? What are our moral standards as a country that embraces freedom and friendship(or is supposed to)? |
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Post by DarkShadow on Sept 4, 2013 3:36:53 GMT
I agree with your first statement.. we need to mind our own business asa a country. I do feel certain types of torture are acceptable (on a non-american) if American lives are at stake.. Just something to think about. Why does it make it acceptable to torture someone just because they are a non-american? If we do allow torture to gain information, where do we draw the line? What are our moral standards as a country that embraces freedom and friendship(or is supposed to)? The reason I say a non American is because the constitution does not apply to them. I do think there should be a line though... mutilating people is to far.. trust me when I say I have done a lot of research on the subject. I have several e reletives who are ex -intelligence who have been waterboarded and can confirm its effectiveness.. they were waterboarded in training. |
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Post by docilelion on Sept 4, 2013 16:12:44 GMT
I agree with your first statement.. we need to mind our own business asa a country. I do feel certain types of torture are acceptable (on a non-american) if American lives are at stake.. Just something to think about. Why does it make it acceptable to torture someone just because they are a non-american? If we do allow torture to gain information, where do we draw the line? What are our moral standards as a country that embraces freedom and friendship(or is supposed to)? If it threatens our National Security, there is no line. We should do whatever necessary to gain the information we need to keep our citizens safe! |
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Post by DarkShadow on Sept 4, 2013 18:47:43 GMT
Just something to think about. Why does it make it acceptable to torture someone just because they are a non-american? If we do allow torture to gain information, where do we draw the line? What are our moral standards as a country that embraces freedom and friendship(or is supposed to)? If it threatens our National Security, there is no line. We should do whatever necessary to gain the information we need to keep our citizens safe! I would have to slightly disagree. The constitution MUST be followed at all times. So whatever you do with a foreign person is one thing...spying, totrturing, or killing American citizens is a other thing . ~DarkShadow |
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Post by AmazingDomo on Sept 4, 2013 22:20:09 GMT
If it threatens our National Security, there is no line. We should do whatever necessary to gain the information we need to keep our citizens safe! I would have to slightly disagree. The constitution MUST be followed at all times. So whatever you do with a foreign person is one thing...spying, totrturing, or killing American citizens is a other thing . ~DarkShadow The preamble of the constituion says that all men are created equal. That INCLUDES non-americans. Just because someone isn't an American citizen does not mean you can just abandon all human morals and do horrible stuff to them. They are still PEOPLE! |
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Post by DarkShadow on Sept 5, 2013 2:11:59 GMT
I would have to slightly disagree. The constitution MUST be followed at all times. So whatever you do with a foreign person is one thing...spying, totrturing, or killing American citizens is a other thing . ~DarkShadow The preamble of the constituion says that all men are created equal. That INCLUDES non-americans. Just because someone isn't an American citizen does not mean you can just abandon all human morals and do horrible stuff to them. They are still PEOPLE! I can not even begin how much I agree when all human life is precious. But in times of war ...extreme things must be done. The constitution applies to American citizens. I am not saying to go all out on torturing someone.. please do some research on techniques other countries use for interrogation... waterboarding is nothing compared to that. America is not some saintly country that is better than everyone else. Our people come first. ~DarkShadow |
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Post by AmazingDomo on Sept 5, 2013 11:59:14 GMT
The preamble of the constituion says that all men are created equal. That INCLUDES non-americans. Just because someone isn't an American citizen does not mean you can just abandon all human morals and do horrible stuff to them. They are still PEOPLE! I can not even begin how much I agree when all human life is precious. But in times of war ...extreme things must be done. The constitution applies to American citizens. I am not saying to go all out on torturing someone.. please do some research on techniques other countries use for interrogation... waterboarding is nothing compared to that. America is not some saintly country that is better than everyone else. Our people come first. ~DarkShadow Just because other countries do worse things, still does not make it okay for us to torture people. Most wars we engage in aren't even constitutional! Most people we interrogate and torture have nothing to do with what happened. Most of these wars are false flags, and the people we torture have nothing to do with what the government claims happened. Hell, we helped elect Osama Bin Laden....I mean seriously? If the wars we engage in actually protect us, rather than compromise our National Security, then I will consider what you have said here. |
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Post by John Liberty on Sept 5, 2013 12:05:43 GMT
I can not even begin how much I agree when all human life is precious. But in times of war ...extreme things must be done. The constitution applies to American citizens. I am not saying to go all out on torturing someone.. please do some research on techniques other countries use for interrogation... waterboarding is nothing compared to that. America is not some saintly country that is better than everyone else. Our people come first. ~DarkShadow Just because other countries do worse things, still does not make it okay for us to torture people. Most wars we engage in aren't even constitutional! Most people we interrogate and torture have nothing to do with what happened. Most of these wars are false flags, and the people we torture have nothing to do with what the government claims happened. Hell, we helped elect Osama Bin Laden....I mean seriously? If the wars we engage in actually protect us, rather than compromise our National Security, then I will consider what you have said here. I see where your coming from here, but I'm going to have to agree with DarkShadow. If someone is threatening our country, certain precautions have to be made to keep our citizens safe. There is, however, a line to be drawn. Some countries do some very horrifying things, and that's not what we should be doing. |
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Post by rserling on Sept 18, 2013 3:49:11 GMT
Just because other countries do worse things, still does not make it okay for us to torture people. Most wars we engage in aren't even constitutional! Most people we interrogate and torture have nothing to do with what happened. Most of these wars are false flags, and the people we torture have nothing to do with what the government claims happened. Hell, we helped elect Osama Bin Laden....I mean seriously? If the wars we engage in actually protect us, rather than compromise our National Security, then I will consider what you have said here. I see where your coming from here, but I'm going to have to agree with DarkShadow. If someone is threatening our country, certain precautions have to be made to keep our citizens safe. There is, however, a line to be drawn. Some countries do some very horrifying things, and that's not what we should be doing. I don't believe torture is EVER acceptable. It's not an American privilege to not be tortured by the U.S. government. It's a human right. Torture is not acceptable to use on Americans who are found guilty after due process, so why is it acceptable on a non-American that has not been tried? It would keep us safer as a nation not to bully and torture other countries. |
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Post by John Liberty on Sept 18, 2013 12:56:14 GMT
I see where your coming from here, but I'm going to have to agree with DarkShadow. If someone is threatening our country, certain precautions have to be made to keep our citizens safe. There is, however, a line to be drawn. Some countries do some very horrifying things, and that's not what we should be doing. I don't believe torture is EVER acceptable. It's not an American privilege to not be tortured by the U.S. government. It's a human right. Torture is not acceptable to use Americans who are found guilty after due process, so why is it acceptable on a non-American that has not been tried? It would keep us safer as a nation not to bully and torture other countries. Oh I agree it's not strictly an American right, and I am against torture except in the most extreme conditions. I'm not solid on this topic, I am still researching and formulating an opinion. |
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