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Post by AmazingDomo on Aug 29, 2013 22:22:00 GMT
I am Pro-Choice because:
I think that a woman has the right to choose what happens with her body.
It is scientifically proven that babies are not considered alive until later in development(late second trimester)
It can be very traumatic for a woman to have the child of a rapist.
The Pro-Life stance is a religious stance and religion has no place in government!
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Post by ProfessorKat on Aug 30, 2013 12:05:06 GMT
I am Pro-Choice because: I think that a woman has the right to choose what happens with her body. It is scientifically proven that babies are not considered alive until later in development(late second trimester) It can be very traumatic for a woman to have the child of a rapist. The Pro-Life stance is a religious stance and religion has no place in government! So basically what you are telling me is that I can choose to have a living baby inside of me killed, but I can't choose to own a firearm? I'm confused. Are you for womens rights or aren't you.
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Post by rserling on Aug 30, 2013 18:46:43 GMT
I am Pro-Choice because: I think that a woman has the right to choose what happens with her body. It is scientifically proven that babies are not considered alive until later in development(late second trimester) It can be very traumatic for a woman to have the child of a rapist. The Pro-Life stance is a religious stance and religion has no place in government! So basically what you are telling me is that I can choose to have a living baby inside of me killed, but I can't choose to own a firearm? I'm confused. Are you for womens rights or aren't you. Agreed. I am pro-choice, but you are not really pr-choice unless you support rights to make any reasonable choices!
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Post by DarkShadow on Sept 3, 2013 3:38:46 GMT
How can anyone have the right to define what a human life is? I have noticed that everyone who supports abortion, was never aborted. I think abortion should only be legal if the woman will die otherwise. Why cant people put there child up for adoption or take responsibility for their actions and raise it?
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Post by AmazingDomo on Sept 3, 2013 15:19:45 GMT
How can anyone have the right to define what a human life is? I have noticed that everyone who supports abortion, was never aborted. I think abortion should only be legal if the woman will die otherwise. Why cant people put there child up for adoption or take responsibility for their actions and raise it? Oh you've noticed that everyone who supports abortion, was never aborted? Good observation! (sarcasm) What if the woman is raped? Why should she have to raise a child she didn't want in the first place? How was she responsible for her actions? I have every right to define what life is. I support abortion rights up to the second trimester. Before the second trimester it is not alive. It is a collection of cells. It has the potential for life, but it is not alive. It is like eating an egg. The egg has the potential for life, but it's not alive.
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Post by DarkShadow on Sept 3, 2013 15:34:19 GMT
How can anyone have the right to define what a human life is? I have noticed that everyone who supports abortion, was never aborted. I think abortion should only be legal if the woman will die otherwise. Why cant people put there child up for adoption or take responsibility for their actions and raise it? Oh you've noticed that everyone who supports abortion, was never aborted? Good observation! (sarcasm) What if the woman is raped? Why should she have to raise a child she didn't want in the first place? How was she responsible for her actions? I have every right to define what life is. I support abortion rights up to the second trimester. Before the second trimester it is not alive. It is a collection of cells. It has the potential for life, but it is not alive. It is like eating an egg. The egg has the potential for life, but it's not alive. If the woman was raped ...why not put the child up for adoption? What gives YOU the right to define what life is?
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Post by AmazingDomo on Sept 3, 2013 17:35:16 GMT
Oh you've noticed that everyone who supports abortion, was never aborted? Good observation! (sarcasm) What if the woman is raped? Why should she have to raise a child she didn't want in the first place? How was she responsible for her actions? I have every right to define what life is. I support abortion rights up to the second trimester. Before the second trimester it is not alive. It is a collection of cells. It has the potential for life, but it is not alive. It is like eating an egg. The egg has the potential for life, but it's not alive. If the woman was raped ...why not put the child up for adoption? What gives YOU the right to define what life is? Most kids don't get adopted! Adoptions are long and costly! Most kids bounce back and forth between foster homes. And foster homes aren't as friendly as you think...my father was a foster kid and he was badly abused by several foster homes. I don't define it, science defines it...through hardcore fact and hypothesis. What gives YOU the right to define it?! Try to take your religion out of the context of debate ONE TIME and see how much your eyes open. Don't get me wrong I don't mind religion, but most people follow religion blindly...they don't think for themselves. The bible was not written by God, it was written by those that experienced him through holy experiences. An interpretation of an event. It was not meant to be taken literally, you must think about the verses and what they mean...not what your Sunday school instructor thinks they mean.
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Post by DarkShadow on Sept 5, 2013 18:15:21 GMT
If the woman was raped ...why not put the child up for adoption? What gives YOU the right to define what life is? Most kids don't get adopted! Adoptions are long and costly! Most kids bounce back and forth between foster homes. And foster homes aren't as friendly as you think...my father was a foster kid and he was badly abused by several foster homes. I don't define it, science defines it...through hardcore fact and hypothesis. What gives YOU the right to define it?! Try to take your religion out of the context of debate ONE TIME and see how much your eyes open. Don't get me wrong I don't mind religion, but most people follow religion blindly...they don't think for themselves. The bible was not written by God, it was written by those that experienced him through holy experiences. An interpretation of an event. It was not meant to be taken literally, you must think about the verses and what they mean...not what your Sunday school instructor thinks they mean. My opinion on abortion has nothing to do with religeon. Putting children in foster homes may be expensive and unfortunate for the child, but is it right to kill an innocent child just because they will have a terrible childhood? You said your father was a foster kid...should he have been aborted so he wouldn't suffer the abuses of the foster home? Please keep in mind... I am a Christian...but I do not follow my faith blindly. My beliefs are based on logic and creating a win win situation for everyone. Killing a child is unacceptable in my eyes and the doctors who perform the procedure (when not a life and death situation) are criminals. ~DarkShadow
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Post by AmazingDomo on Sept 5, 2013 19:10:08 GMT
Most kids don't get adopted! Adoptions are long and costly! Most kids bounce back and forth between foster homes. And foster homes aren't as friendly as you think...my father was a foster kid and he was badly abused by several foster homes. I don't define it, science defines it...through hardcore fact and hypothesis. What gives YOU the right to define it?! Try to take your religion out of the context of debate ONE TIME and see how much your eyes open. Don't get me wrong I don't mind religion, but most people follow religion blindly...they don't think for themselves. The bible was not written by God, it was written by those that experienced him through holy experiences. An interpretation of an event. It was not meant to be taken literally, you must think about the verses and what they mean...not what your Sunday school instructor thinks they mean. My opinion on abortion has nothing to do with religeon. Putting children in foster homes may be expensive and unfortunate for the child, but is it right to kill an innocent child just because they will have a terrible childhood? You said your father was a foster kid...should he have been aborted so he wouldn't suffer the abuses of the foster home? Please keep in mind... I am a Christian...but I do not follow my faith blindly. My beliefs are based on logic and creating a win win situation for everyone. Killing a child is unacceptable in my eyes and the doctors who perform the procedure (when not a life and death situation) are criminals. ~DarkShadow 1.) What's a "religeon"? I think you mean religion.2.) You CLEARLY have not been paying attention. You toss around this sob story about how these are "innocent children" we're "killing". The baby is not alive!!! It's scientifically proven that they are not alive until at least the second trimester, if not halfway through the second trimester. They are still developing! They can not think and they cannot feel.3.) You do follow your faith blindly. That's what Christianity is about. Believing in something that you can't see or feel. That's what the definition of FAITH is. I do appreciate the oxymoron though, that gave me a small laugh. "I do not follow my faith blindly" 4.) Oh so you're one of those people. Abortion doctors are "criminals". But gun owners are not? You say you're "Pro-Life" but yet you want to relax gun laws to a point where any wackjob can go get a gun and pop off a few innocent children at a school.
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Post by DarkShadow on Sept 5, 2013 20:10:42 GMT
My opinion on abortion has nothing to do with religeon. Putting children in foster homes may be expensive and unfortunate for the child, but is it right to kill an innocent child just because they will have a terrible childhood? You said your father was a foster kid...should he have been aborted so he wouldn't suffer the abuses of the foster home? Please keep in mind... I am a Christian...but I do not follow my faith blindly. My beliefs are based on logic and creating a win win situation for everyone. Killing a child is unacceptable in my eyes and the doctors who perform the procedure (when not a life and death situation) are criminals. ~DarkShadow 1.) What's a "religeon"? I think you mean religion.2.) You CLEARLY have not been paying attention. You toss around this sob story about how these are "innocent children" we're "killing". The baby is not alive!!! It's scientifically proven that they are not alive until at least the second trimester, if not halfway through the second trimester. They are still developing! They can not think and they cannot feel.3.) You do follow your faith blindly. That's what Christianity is about. Believing in something that you can't see or feel. That's what the definition of FAITH is. I do appreciate the oxymoron though, that gave me a small laugh. "I do not follow my faith blindly" 4.) Oh so you're one of those people. Abortion doctors are "criminals". But gun owners are not? You say you're "Pro-Life" but yet you want to relax gun laws to a point where any wackjob can go get a gun and pop off a few innocent children at a school. 1. Thank you for correcting my misspelled word. 2. You speak of proof that an unborn child is not a human. Please provide me with this proof. Also... what about the abortions that happen after they have finished forming? Is that not murder? 3. The reason maniacs go into schools and shoot up a bunch of kids is because of strict gun laws. Something interesting that I found was that the shooting that happenned at the theatre the dark knight rises (I forget which state) was playing was a gun free zone. The shooter actually passed several other theatres on the way to his target. These others that he passed were not gun free zones. ~Dark Shadow
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Post by AmazingDomo on Sept 6, 2013 12:12:30 GMT
1.) What's a "religeon"? I think you mean religion.2.) You CLEARLY have not been paying attention. You toss around this sob story about how these are "innocent children" we're "killing". The baby is not alive!!! It's scientifically proven that they are not alive until at least the second trimester, if not halfway through the second trimester. They are still developing! They can not think and they cannot feel.3.) You do follow your faith blindly. That's what Christianity is about. Believing in something that you can't see or feel. That's what the definition of FAITH is. I do appreciate the oxymoron though, that gave me a small laugh. "I do not follow my faith blindly" 4.) Oh so you're one of those people. Abortion doctors are "criminals". But gun owners are not? You say you're "Pro-Life" but yet you want to relax gun laws to a point where any wackjob can go get a gun and pop off a few innocent children at a school. 1. Thank you for correcting my misspelled word. 2. You speak of proof that an unborn child is not a human. Please provide me with this proof. Also... what about the abortions that happen after they have finished forming? Is that not murder? 3. The reason maniacs go into schools and shoot up a bunch of kids is because of strict gun laws. Something interesting that I found was that the shooting that happenned at the theatre the dark knight rises (I forget which state) was playing was a gun free zone. The shooter actually passed several other theatres on the way to his target. These others that he passed were not gun free zones. ~Dark Shadow 1). The baby is not alive at conception: www.ask.com/question/when-is-a-baby-considered-alive(If you want more articles, I have PLENTY more). 2). Someone who has gone off the deep end is not going to think about whether or not someone has a gun. Considering most criminals commit suicide after major massacres like that, I highly doubt they really care what happens to them. 3). Also, I repeat AGAIN for the thickheaded. If there weren't any guns in the first place, that theater massacre would not have happened! Metal detectors at the door of the theater would have solved the problem. 4). Provide me with proof that he skipped several movie theaters, and show me the proof those theaters were not gun free zones.
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Post by docilelion on Sept 6, 2013 16:18:56 GMT
1. Thank you for correcting my misspelled word. 2. You speak of proof that an unborn child is not a human. Please provide me with this proof. Also... what about the abortions that happen after they have finished forming? Is that not murder? 3. The reason maniacs go into schools and shoot up a bunch of kids is because of strict gun laws. Something interesting that I found was that the shooting that happenned at the theatre the dark knight rises (I forget which state) was playing was a gun free zone. The shooter actually passed several other theatres on the way to his target. These others that he passed were not gun free zones. ~Dark Shadow 1). The baby is not alive at conception: www.ask.com/question/when-is-a-baby-considered-alive(If you want more articles, I have PLENTY more). 2). Someone who has gone off the deep end is not going to think about whether or not someone has a gun. Considering most criminals commit suicide after major massacres like that, I highly doubt they really care what happens to them. 3). Also, I repeat AGAIN for the thickheaded. If there weren't any guns in the first place, that theater massacre would not have happened! Metal detectors at the door of the theater would have solved the problem. 4). Provide me with proof that he skipped several movie theaters, and show me the proof those theaters were not gun free zones. LIE TO ME and tell me this isn't REVOLTING!lifedynamics.com/deathcamps/Methods2.cfm
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Post by John Liberty on Sept 11, 2013 12:49:09 GMT
All of you are wrong. Abortion isn't one of those issues that you slap a label on and say "I'm Pro-Life" or "I'm Pro-Choice". There's a lot of factors that go into this. It all depends on your definition of life. There are in fact scientific documents proving that babies are not alive till a trimester and a half, but on the flip-side there are documents saying they are alive at conception. It's a very slippery issue, and it is not Black And White...there's a very large grey area and we have to think about it logically. Abortion is often used as birth control, often by teenage girls...they get free abortions and they don't need parental consent to get it! No doubt, that's not the way things should be done. However, on the flip side what if a woman has medical emergency and needs an abortion or she will die?
At the end of the day, we need to think about every aspect of this. This issue is not about "womens' rights" or "saving the babies"...it's an issue that could affect our standard lawmaking procedure in immense proportions.
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Post by AmazingDomo on Sept 11, 2013 16:22:24 GMT
1. Thank you for correcting my misspelled word. 2. You speak of proof that an unborn child is not a human. Please provide me with this proof. Also... what about the abortions that happen after they have finished forming? Is that not murder? 3. The reason maniacs go into schools and shoot up a bunch of kids is because of strict gun laws. Something interesting that I found was that the shooting that happenned at the theatre the dark knight rises (I forget which state) was playing was a gun free zone. The shooter actually passed several other theatres on the way to his target. These others that he passed were not gun free zones. ~Dark Shadow 1). The baby is not alive at conception: www.ask.com/question/when-is-a-baby-considered-alive(If you want more articles, I have PLENTY more). 2). Someone who has gone off the deep end is not going to think about whether or not someone has a gun. Considering most criminals commit suicide after major massacres like that, I highly doubt they really care what happens to them. 3). Also, I repeat AGAIN for the thickheaded. If there weren't any guns in the first place, that theater massacre would not have happened! Metal detectors at the door of the theater would have solved the problem. 4). Provide me with proof that he skipped several movie theaters, and show me the proof those theaters were not gun free zones. Well I've seen you log on and make posts TWICE now without replying to my posts. This proves you have ZERO proof to back your statements up. Next time you debate someone, make sure you know what you are talking about first!
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Post by Gipper on Sept 12, 2013 1:33:27 GMT
All of you are wrong. Abortion isn't one of those issues that you slap a label on and say "I'm Pro-Life" or "I'm Pro-Choice". There's a lot of factors that go into this. It all depends on your definition of life. There are in fact scientific documents proving that babies are not alive till a trimester and a half, but on the flip-side there are documents saying they are alive at conception. It's a very slippery issue, and it is not Black And White...there's a very large grey area and we have to think about it logically. Abortion is often used as birth control, often by teenage girls...they get free abortions and they don't need parental consent to get it! No doubt, that's not the way things should be done. However, on the flip side what if a woman has medical emergency and needs an abortion or she will die? At the end of the day, we need to think about every aspect of this. This issue is not about "womens' rights" or "saving the babies"...it's an issue that could affect our standard lawmaking procedure in immense proportions. Well said. I have to say, I agree with you on this. But I take it one step further in thinking that ALL issues have a grey area of some sort. You can't think of everything 2 dimensional. I like to actually call myself "Pro-Logic" as a joke. It's actually caught on with a few good friends of mine. We label ourselves that to distinguish ourselves from the bilateral "Choice" Vs. "Life" debate.
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